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Otaku Rant

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Here's what I hate: anime fans who call themselves "otaku".
Did you know that's a bad word? It means nothing positive, you can't take the freight out of it by describing your mushroom-like, Mahoromatic-hugging, Chobits-wanking, existence as all-anime all the time, by declaring your unswerving dedication to all things anime.

You're so not like gay people who reclaimed the word "queer", okay? In fact, by insisting on calling yourself otaku, you are labeling yourself as SOMEONE TO BE AVOIDED, and the rest of us appreciate the warning, even though we pretty much figured it out by the mouth-breathing.

"Otaku" is like "furry", except that furry used to mean someone who liked funny animals. The WORST furry meant, at one time, was someone who drew people with animal heads because they couldn't be bothered to learn how to draw people, and "furry art" was synonymous with "bad art" and the ass end of the artist's alley at any given convention. It didn't mean funny animals fucking, or Babs getting cornholed by Buster and Daffy at the same time, or Simba/Scar slash fiction. Just funny animals.
NOW it means someone who needs pictures of yiff (Google it), and someone who likes to dress up in a tiger suit and hump someone dressed as a horse. It means "skunk fuckers". It means those things so much no one who just likes funny animals calls themselves a furry any more, lest they have to have someone describe their need for a three-way between Simba, Timon and Pumbaa. It's become a helpful "stay away from me" label.

Like otaku.

And while there are self-described "furries" who show up at anime cons, let's remember furries came from funny animal fandom, not anime fandom. Anime/manga has enough reputation problems (started in 1990 by a piece of shit article in the L.A. Times, written by a reporter who told every single person he talked to a different story about the angle of the article), without people being confused about the genesis of Tiny Toons porn collectors, fursuiters and people who hump plush toys.

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[info]aeire wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 06:06 pm (UTC)
While I agree wholeheartedly with the otaku portion of your rant, I find myself disagreeing with the second half of it - while it is true that there are an ungodly amount of people out there calling themselves 'furries' that want nothing more than to 'yiff' every fuzzy thing in sight, there are also quite a few people out there that remain part of that first definition - people who like funny animals, and the drawing of anthropormorphic looking animals doesn't necessarily mean that they want to screw everything with four legs and a tail in sight. I think the word you're looking for for the 'yiff' fans out there isn't 'furry', I think it's probably more along the lines of 'pervert'. *g*
[info]divalea wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 07:32 pm (UTC)
Actually, the word is furvert. :D

My furry expert pal says the young furries (who are not pervs) call themselves that and have no clue about the skunk-fucking shit and don't care. So, I give all and sundry that.
[info]aeire wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 07:39 pm (UTC)
Oh furvert! I had forgotten about the existence of that particular phrase. *giggle*
[info]keless wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 02:54 pm (UTC)
Have you looked at http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/ recently?

While there may be many a person who can appreciate the occasional catgirl, there are still many more than enough uter freaks to make your skin crawl (apart from the sexual stuff, notice how many pics have characters slashing themselves).

I used to just wade thru all the crap and try to stomach the nasties so I could keep up with the few artists on there that I liked, but damn! And its getting worse.
[info]aeire wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 02:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, I generally try to stay away from the vcl nowadays. It's kind of been overrun, to put it mildly.
[info]mark_argent wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 06:50 pm (UTC)
So I guess you won't be GOHing at Otakon any time soon, then.
[info]divalea wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 07:35 pm (UTC)
Haven't been asked (well, once, about a jillion years ago, and they offered no travel, hotel or meals). Hear it's nice. Think the name is dumb.
[info]dizzyhyena wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 07:26 pm (UTC)
Finally, someone who hates all this happy-horseshit as much as I do! Amen Mom!
[info]mattbayne wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 08:35 pm (UTC)
There used to be a site, done by a twenty-somethign Japanese woman, living in america. She had this monstrous rant about people calling themselves "otaku." It was great. She said Americans have no idea what the word means in Japan, what it's associated with. She shared a story about a guy who was an otaku, who lived near a video store or something. And he'd kidnap girls from in front of the store, bring them back to his place, and rape and kill them. And when the cops finally busted into his place, it was wall to wall anime and manga. And people in Japan, upon hearing the contents of his apartment, were like "Oh, of course." Like, of COURSE anybody who is kidnapping girls and killing them is going to have an apartment full of anime and manga. Like when somebody kills a jew because they're jewish, the killer's house is filled with nazi shit.

Holy crap, I just found the link in google. I didn't get her story exactly right, but close enough. Anyways, here's the link: http://hem.passagen.se/raah/mig/anime/otaku.html
[info]divalea wrote:
Sep. 25th, 2003 10:27 pm (UTC)
That's a GREAT rant!
I am actually connected in a weird sort of way with that story about the serial killer. (Whose name was Miyazaki, no relation to the director.)

I don't have time to type it all out, what I can say is the police got to the guy's apartment AFTER the TV people did, and the pictures made it look like there was nothing else in the killer's apato because that's all they took pictures of. There have been whisperings since that some of the evidence (of violent porn) may have been planted.
But I was not a kid when this happened--I was 25, and remember seeing about it nearly every weeknight of the summer of 1989 on the 1/2 hour Japanese news that aired on our local PBS.

Otaku was not a good word before that, but that clinched it as a bad word. It's like calling yourself "ripper".

I think where a lot of Western fans got the mnistaken impression it was an okayish word (like "Trekkie" or "Trekker") was from Otaku no Video, a thinly disguised comic retelling of the history of Gainax. But it was NOT a flattering picture of fans or otaku AT ALL, something the anime fans seem to have completely missed. In fact, in the video, there is a character called "Shon Fernandez", which is an amalgam of me and Shon Howell, who both worked for Gainax, and let's say the portrayal of us was beyong unflattering, and meant to emcompass contempt for all Westerners who loved anime.

Ah, memories!

[info]komainu wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 06:49 am (UTC)
Thank you for this link. It will save me rant time in the future; I'll just point folks there. And thanks Lea for this LJ entry.
[info]divalea wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 09:11 am (UTC)
The link is courtesy artgolem, not myself.

You're welcome, nonetheless.
[info]wtf wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 07:43 am (UTC)
AMEN.
[info]thesentinel wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 01:03 pm (UTC)
In my opinion furries are the lowest end of the food chain. Amongst my friends a furry con or being around furries is refered to as being "trapped in furgatory".

And on a semi-related note, they don't like being refered to as "Pigfuckers". I guess I'm just insensitive.
[info]mattbayne wrote:
Sep. 26th, 2003 03:35 pm (UTC)
Pig's don't really have fur, though, so maybe that's got something to do with it?
(Anonymous) wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2003 03:33 am (UTC)
Otaku
I like the term "otaku" despite its orgins of meaning in JAPAN--in AMERICA among the fellow manga/anime fans in the states (and across the pond) calling each other "otaku" has become a "term of endearment". So the term "otaku" has evolved into something "nice" and "fun" -where as you have so clearly pointed out, how the term "furry" has DEvolved into something more derogatory.


love you babe!
ciao
-Saint Otaku
[info]divalea wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2003 07:16 am (UTC)
Heh heh heh.
I know everyone's waiting for me to explode all over this poor Anonymous poster who posted under the pseudonym "Saint Otaku".

But:
*The fact that he/she/it posted anonymously,
*Signed it "Saint Otaku",
*And is pretty much insisting, in a typically fannish fashion, "I've made up my mind, and it doesn't matter what YOU say", that "otaku" is a term of endearment,

Says it All For Me.

[info]gabycat wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2003 09:15 am (UTC)
over the endearment of "OTAKU"


I was brought to this topic by one of my friends. As editor of manga for Mexico, (Gaby Maya from Editorial Toukan & Mango), I've seen how more and more the manga fans, my readers, have coined the word "Otaku" as a word of pride, that separates them from any other comics fans.
I do agree the term in its origin is more to describe an obessed person, or insane person. You could use "Hen" (from hentai) for the same.

But overseas fans have decided to use the word in their own concept. Many times I tried to explain my readers what Otau meant, but more and more they would write and say "I am an Otaku and proud of it". So I understood that despite what I know, they decided to use the word and give it their own meaning and value. There's a very nice (small) mexican fanizne called "Kokoro no Otaku" trying to say it is the "Heart of the Otakus" and in its pages I have read what some of the manga fans in Mexico have gone through. More than many times the attacks from strict parents, intolerant teachers, or elitist friends are what have made this manga fans coin the word "Otaku" as a banner to say "What I like to read is ok, this is who I am and I am proud of it" Is not like the term "gay" or"queer" for the homosexual community, or the word "Chicano" for the Mexican community living in US.
Is a term that has a special meaning for them, one they have adopted and despite that some of us know its true dark Origin, (like some sects or other more obsucre groups are described as "Otaku") fans overseas have decided to purge that "bad karma" from the word. And use it as something that has a different meaning.
I have commented this with some Japanese friends, and acquaintances, and other US artists, and most of the time we all smile and understand that fans will do what they want, and if "Otaku" is a word they like and feel safe and ok with it, little we do is going to change that.

As for the "furries" I understand the term has gone into the mud in US. Agan, I doubt my characters (all with cat features) will fall into the term "furries" I don't call them that, and certainly noone here (in Mexico) has. There might be a reason behind, like "bugs Bunny " or other "talking cartoon animals" are not called "furries" either. Perhaps is just that here, peoel grew to accept the fact Woody Woodpecker can inetract with other speices and humans and still retain some sort of logic. A pretzel one, but logic none the less.
[info]otaqueen wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 04:31 pm (UTC)
...And of course I feel
incredibly foolish, all with the nick and all, and while I do agree to the pejorative connotation of the word, I just think maybe it doesn't put the same bees in my head as it seems to do yours, although naturally there's plenty of other stuff that does, puts the bees in my head, I mean.
[info]divalea wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 05:18 pm (UTC)
Fair enough. What does put the bees in your head?
[info]otaqueen wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 05:28 pm (UTC)
Good Question
Too many things to mention.

Actually, I guess one might be the assumption of a certain-online-DVD-reviewer-who-shall-remain-nameless that any line even a little colloquial is automatically written by me. I haven't written for "Inuyasha" since Episode 9 -- and maybe a few, more recently, here and there -- yet apparently I've had my nefarious way with the most current Cartoon Network stuff too.

Watching the latest batch with Mister Toshi at AnimeNext, I couldn't help but self-protectively flinch at one point when Inuyasha said something about the slaying of so-and-so being "at the top of (his) 'to-do' list." They'd have had me up on the cross for that one.

Fans!
[info]divalea wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 05:40 pm (UTC)
I can't remember where I said it, but I do remember saying SOMEWHERE you did the best with op/close lyrics, because you try (I'm guessing you do, anyway), to get the feeling instead of just a pleasingly literal (read: clunky) translation. Just wanted to say that.
Oh, yeah, you'd have had it for that line. You always were the Great Evil and all, and the otaku would've crucified ya.
What I get, less and less, so I guess USED to get, is people saying helpfully, "Oh, I'm a manga purist." (Meaning, "Your comic is icky.") Uh, okay. Whatever.
I try to remember people telling me How Things Are in comics and the naime/manga business just simply don't know, they only know what they see (which isn't much). But they are, as the saying goes, certain, which means they're wrong at the tops of their voices.
[info]otaqueen wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 06:08 pm (UTC)
Thanks...
I appreciate your saying that. I did -- always do -- try. Song lyrics get such a raw deal in the localization process. Even the most nonsensical-seeming of them mean SOMETHING.

That's part of why it's so hard to come under such fire for "deliberately" not including the lyrics in, say, "Project Arms," which I'm producing. Do they really think I contacted Japan and told them "Nah, don't bother"...? Have they forgotten all the "Ranma" translations already? Maybe it's just that they never saw them? I dunno.

Anyway, so glad to find your journal. Didn't know you had one! Count me in as a regular reader. It's so nice to have another friend -- a female friend -- in the industry.
[info]divalea wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2003 07:21 pm (UTC)
Exactly, about the lyrics! I think of them as word pictures, even the ones that seem like fridge magnet poetry, and I can TELL the writer was trying to convey something.
One of my all-time fave lyrics are the ones for the opening of Metal Fighter Miku. Others are Key, Orguss, and Nadia.
"Don't forget to try in mind"...c'mon, how hard is that? It's clearly, "don't forget to keep in mind" or "try to remember".
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