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HURT COMICS: Remixing Heroes for Hentai

  • May. 26th, 2007 at 4:44 AM
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This is my first retouch of the H4H cover that Joe Quesada says isn't tentacle porn. 
Just to start, I took out all the cuts and blood (except for the one I missed on Misty's arm, oops), zipped up Colleen Wing's suit, repaired the hey-y'all-I-have-no-pubic-hair torn pants on Misty (yeah, those were actually almost torn off pants, not stupidly low-cut ones), moved the tentacle off Black Cat's right breast, moved the cut of Cat's suit back to the bottom of her breasts (where it usually is, thanks), and I GOT RID OF THAT FUCKING BELL.
The expressions are still bad--Colleen is looking away in resignation, Misty is uncharacteristically scared, and Black Cat is cringing and shuddering.



The second remix of H4H #13 addresses the problems of the women's terrified expressions, Misty's apparent lack of previous blackness, and Misty's impossi-fro.
FIRST: Misty is now black again! See how nicely she contrasts with Colleen and Black Cat, too.
Next, I corrected Misty's relaxed-in-the-front, 'fro in the back 'do, which was some sort of weird Afromullet. According to black bloggers, Misty's hair simply wasn't possible. Now, being a white girl, I wouldn't know. But being someone who is a) a stickler for accuracy in details and b) understands how frustrating it is to see oneself poorly represented, I fixed that shit. Misty now has the braids Palmiotti drew her with. She also has her beautiful full lips back.
The expressions have all been changed. Colleen is looking directly at the tentacle, instead of away in fear and resignation. Her expression says, "God, you're a boring monster."
Misty's look is that she's got the opener to the can of whup-ass right now. She's thinking, "This is like one of those lame-ass traps from that 60's Batman TV show. Weak."
In keeping with the supposedly ha-ha aspect of the cover, Felicia is going, "Bleeeech!" at a tentacle that's getting a liitle too close. Her eyes are open, and she's looking at the stupid slimy thing.
Felicia, Misty and Colleen are all looking straight at what's attacking them, instead of being limply terrified.
Their hands are still hanging as they were in the Victim Version, but they look relaxed in a way that suggests they taking the Brood tentacles about as seriously as anyone should take Joe Q's assertion that he's never seen tentacle porn--which is not at all.



This is not to say the cover's now perfect. It would probably still generate discussion because of the bondage and tentacles, and the fact that the tentacles are slimy and dripping is enough of a visual cue to suggest hentai. 

Obviously, Takeda-san and Joe Q have totally missed the difference between jeopardy and terrified victims.
But Joe Q bought the cover.
P.S.: Joe Q said (@ Newsarama) people lost sight of Misty and Colleen being ass-kickers. No we didn't, Joe. You did.

Comments

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[info]tanukitsune wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC)
Hmm, now that's they are smiling.... it kinda looks like they are... enjoying it.... :/
[info]trishalynn wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC)
I dunno, I think Misty's looking at it like, "Dude, I'm going to break free and kill you any second now."
(no subject) - [info]furikku - May. 26th, 2007 05:57 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]errantimpulses - May. 27th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
[info]pjoseph wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 01:29 pm (UTC)
See? Just a few minor adjustments and it goes from "OMG- did I forget to take that porn community off my friend's list at work???"to- "Damn! That's creepy, but Misty Knight's about to make some aliens cry with her robot arm!"


[info]kyburg wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 01:50 pm (UTC)
FOR THE WIN. (God, there is nothing like a picture - the one worth a thousand words.)
[info]trecomics wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 01:50 pm (UTC)
I like this version better--it looks like a parody of tentacle rape.
[info]galbinus_caeli wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 02:25 pm (UTC)
The last version looks like the bonds are temporary. That the women are going to break out in just a moment. The original version looked like they had forgotten the safe word.
[info]machineplay wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
I love this. That looks like Misty now! Awesome. You have it right on. Thank you.
[info]jauncourt wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 02:41 pm (UTC)
Yay! I've been wanting to do that since I saw it.

Email me your address again - Chris got his orders and I have to mail your goodie box ASAP.
[info]spiralsheep wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 02:55 pm (UTC)
Sorry for reposting (I was looking at two pictures at once)
Let's see:
1. Misty has black hair - check
2. No jiz on Black Cat - check
3. Colleen's costume isn't zipped down to show her "navel" - check
4. No suggestive bleeding "cut" on Misty's lower abdomen - check

Thank you. As you say, there's only so much even you can do with that lemon of a cover, but that's a good start as far as I'm concerned.

Their expressions still bother me. Did you see that someone else tried correcting their faces? It's not as thorough a job as yours is but it helped a little bit.
[info]spiralsheep wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 05:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Sorry for reposting (I was looking at two pictures at once)
And... I was right the first time and wasn't looking at two different pictures and you did redraw the faces. Sorry. It's been one of those days. ::facepalm::
[info]tammylee wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 03:01 pm (UTC)
Huzzah! Now it looks like kick ass ladies in a temporarily bad situation!

And I have to say, the ladies look 100x sexier like this. I don't see any reason why a cover like this wouldn't sell comics and would be friendlier to woman comic collectors.

The only customers who might feel left out are misogynists who like their women trembling and afraid. Boo hoo for them.
[info]nonamecity wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
awesome. They don't look pathetic and scared like the situation has turned them into shells of themselves. They don't look like their enjoying at all, they look like

"Are you seriously trying to attack us with tentacles, fanboy? That's so stupid it's funny."

Now it looks like their about to jump out and f*ck up whoever thought they could hold the heroes for hire. It's not a perfect cover now, but now it makes me smile and laugh because I know the imminent ass kicking is upon us :)
[info]dave_iii wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC)
Y'know, I wonder why Humbug, the pathetic looking guy with the abrasive personality and creepy power set isn't on this cover. Of the team dynamic, he's the one most likely to get captured and put in threatening situations.

Not that that would actually improve anything, I'm just wondering.
[info]nonamecity wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
isn't that his arm over behind Black Cat?
(no subject) - [info]dave_iii - May. 26th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
Humbug possible explanation - [info]cornekopia - May. 29th, 2007 03:32 am (UTC)
Re: Humbug possible explanation - [info]dave_iii - May. 29th, 2007 11:42 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]cornekopia - May. 29th, 2007 03:35 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]dave_iii - May. 29th, 2007 11:44 am (UTC)
[info]kadymae wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 05:14 pm (UTC)
These are made of win and awesome.

I love how Misty's now got a fro and the facial expressions now range from "Ick" "sigh" to "Gimme a minute and I'm'a put this boot up your ass."

[info]anw wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
Good job! You know, this is the first time I've noticed that - oh my God! - there's a man on that cover!
[info]karenhealey wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
Lea-

These are awesome. I've stuck the images and a section of the process explanation on a handout, together with the initial image and that quote from JoeQ. I'll be giving it out at the WisCon Sarcasm and Superheroics: Feminism and the Mainstream Comics Industry panel in... two hours. It is the perfect, perfect example of the writing back fan strategy.

Also, I love you totally and forever.
[info]divalea wrote:
May. 28th, 2007 09:07 am (UTC)
So, how was the reaction?
(no subject) - [info]karenhealey - May. 28th, 2007 09:56 pm (UTC)
[info]kayjkay wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 07:22 pm (UTC)
I REALLY want to do a piece of art that has some of Marvel's "strong male protagonist" characters dangling from a pole chained up, weak, helpless, and passive as horrible tentacle monsters drip spooge all over them... *snort*
[info]arcana_j wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC)
Ooo! If you do, put it up at he Women's Work blog!
[info]surprisetruck wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
Those changes are quite inspired, Lea, because they are so simple. And while I can see how someone might deny any intent behind the original, your version is just all round better (and if I knew much about the characters, I bet I'd find the new version more in keeping with them).

Good show!

Ade
[info]nycshelly wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 08:20 pm (UTC)
Maybe they shouldn't look frightened, but now they look like they're enjoying themselves as in, oooo, tentacles, more, more, more!

Never really know what folks will see or read into art.
[info]nonamecity wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 08:24 pm (UTC)
enjoying it is way better than cowering and tortured in my mind.
(no subject) - [info]nycshelly - May. 26th, 2007 08:30 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]arcana_j - May. 26th, 2007 08:54 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nycshelly - May. 27th, 2007 12:12 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - May. 27th, 2007 12:19 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nycshelly - May. 27th, 2007 12:24 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]arcana_j - May. 27th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nonamecity - May. 27th, 2007 09:09 pm (UTC)
I'm seconding. - [info]tianas_knife - May. 28th, 2007 10:39 am (UTC)
embracing sexuality - [info]cornekopia - May. 29th, 2007 03:29 am (UTC)
[info]strangemuses wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 08:42 pm (UTC)
Hurray! Misty is black again, the jizz on the breasts is gone, and the women have their eyes open and aren't entirely cowering in terror.
[info]odditycollector wrote:
May. 26th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
You are my hero.
[info]black_kitty wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
I just want to say that your version of the cover looks so damn sexy~ So awesome!
[info]the_kiggy wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC)
I would have ever known that the woman in the center was supposed to be african-american until you pointed it out, Lea.... @o@
[info]booksforlunch wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
Thank you
Not being a huge Marvel reader, I just recently found out about Misty Knight ( and Colleen ) through the scans_daily community.
And finding out about her was one of those instances of realising what you missed until now by finally finding it.
I read superhero comics, I´m a woman, I´m black. And I can only think of three black, female comic book heroes : Storm from the X - Men, Bumblebee from the Titans and Synaesthesia from Top Ten. The first and the last one were interesting, but not more, to me. And Bumblebee ... well.
Misty Knight hit a nerve with me. Upstanding, proud, insanely cool and kicking ass. And to boot her missing arm and the robotic arm replacing it, which fuels a fetish of my own ... ahem.
So I wanted to start reading Daughters of the Dragon and Heroes for Hire, cheesecake art aside. And then the August solitict came.
I posted a comment about this, in a thread over at newsarama, against basically jerks, whose main defense was: but they aren´t raped, there´s no penetration ( shall we be thankfull now ? ) and besides, no one knows what tentacle rape is anyway. ( The thread was closed later, btw. )
My post was about what really BUGS me about the cover : The SUBMISSION into whatever will happen to them, because, as I put it : `Who the hell wants to read about VICTIMS ?!?!´

And now you post this picture, and it shows everything I wanted to see in the cover, instead of what was shown. They are not afraid, they are not dazed and the expression of Black Cat´s face is priceless, since it turns her stance from scared victim to someone disgusted of slime. And suddenly, they are HEROES again.
I would like to take this picture there, to illustrate WHAT I mean, when I call this particular cover out, and why I´m disgusted and disappointed when I see it.
If you don´t mind, that is.
[info]divalea wrote:
May. 28th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you
It will probably get the reaction that now it's disgusting because they're not cut and afraid, but go right ahead.
Post a link if there's a shitstorm.
Re: Thank you - [info]booksforlunch - May. 29th, 2007 09:45 pm (UTC)
[info]paradisacorbasi wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 03:20 pm (UTC)
Next, I corrected Misty's relaxed-in-the-front, 'fro in the back 'do, which was some sort of weird Afromullet. According to black bloggers, Misty's hair simply wasn't possible.

As a black woman who's styled my hair a number of ways before finally throwing up my hands and locking my hair? The only way it'd be possible to get that hairdo is if it worked out like this:

Misty Knight waited for the heating element to do its job, then raised the hot comb to the hair in front. The pungent smell of overheated hair filled the bathroom as the hair straightened out in response to the hot metal pulled through it. Misty then followed the hot comb with a hot curling iron and styling gel, to give the bangs a sassy little wave.

She was just about to start on the back, taming that afro, when Colleen's voice yelled from beyond the door, "We're outta here in five, Misty! Get it in gear!"

Misty swore and unplugged her hairstyling implements, contenting herself with a hairband and pulling the remainder of her hair back into an afro-puff.


Thanks for the remix, though. It is nice to see the "we're going to escape, and then we're going to shove your tentacles where the sun don't shine, pull them out the other end, and tie them in a knot" expressions these badass good girls should've been wearing from the beginning.
[info]tammy212 wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 04:20 pm (UTC)
Words fail. On Take #2, Colleen may look like she's enjoying it, but she also looks like she's planning, and the Brood won't like what she plans. Black Misty is obviously going to lay the smack down, and Felicia is planning some serious wickedness.

The clamp around my heart just loosened. In an alternate universe, my girls are not victims.

Thank you so much!
(no subject) - [info]divalea - May. 28th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tammy212 - May. 29th, 2007 01:49 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]delux_vivens - May. 28th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
*g* - [info]paradisacorbasi - May. 28th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]divalea - May. 28th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]polymexina - May. 29th, 2007 12:24 am (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]paradisacorbasi - May. 29th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]polymexina - May. 29th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]delux_vivens - May. 29th, 2007 08:50 pm (UTC)
Re: *g* - [info]paradisacorbasi - May. 30th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
[info]onionhead1 wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 04:32 pm (UTC)
I don't read Heroes for Hire but I've been following this thread with interest because I thought the original cover was really gross :P

Your remix is a HUGE improvement, and I think you made Misty *gorgeous*!

::applause!:: :D
[info]tammy212 wrote:
May. 29th, 2007 01:50 am (UTC)
>>Your remix is a HUGE improvement, and I think you made Misty *gorgeous*!<<

True Black is beautiful, baby! ;-)

[info]charles_rb wrote:
May. 27th, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC)
Misty and Colleen both look happy about the situation. Colleen looks so happy I'm actually more disturbed by this than the original, as someone being that happy about being captured & about to be forcibly impregnated with Brood eggs... well, that's just damn weird.
[info]divalea wrote:
May. 28th, 2007 09:05 am (UTC)
Others here have read it as being pleased that they are about to kick some Brood ass. THAT'S what I was going for.
For them to be aware and unafraid, not pleased about being raped.

You're reading what you want to see in it. You prefer bleeding, afraid, helpless, undressed, fondled and spooged on to looking aware and planning some ass-kicking (and being grossed out). You even seem to prefer blood, spooge, fondling and fear to the idea that they are sexual beings instead of sex objects.

Everyone that's objected to the remix at Gail's forum is STILL shooting this through the prism of sex, instead of entertaining the possibility that they are amused because they're not at all threatened.

(no subject) - [info]charles_rb - May. 28th, 2007 11:05 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - May. 28th, 2007 11:06 am (UTC)
degrees of interpretation - [info]cornekopia - May. 28th, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]foogod - May. 28th, 2007 07:34 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - May. 28th, 2007 09:13 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - May. 28th, 2007 11:02 pm (UTC)
Contructive critique - [info]nanorider - May. 29th, 2007 04:06 am (UTC)
Re: Contructive critique - [info]mazlynn - May. 31st, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nballingrud - May. 29th, 2007 02:35 am (UTC)
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