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MAKE COMICS: Lettering

  • Jan. 18th, 2008 at 1:46 PM
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This is by no means the last word on lettering, just me having my say on same. The low standards in most manga lettering makes me twitch. The missing of basic forms (because they're not taught) make me twitch. The use of apostrophes as if they were LOL instead of useful punctuation to indicate possessives makes me twitch.
The distance between good lettering and so-so lettering and bad lettering is small. In my unhumble opinion, it's worth bothering with.

So, what the fuck do I know?
Besides my near-miss English minor (I left college with one credit to go so I could draw comics, mmmboy), I've been a letterer for 20+ years, mainly of manga (when it still required sound FX and art retouch). My mentor was Tom Orzechowski.
Richard Starkings once gave me a t-shirt. ^_- (Seriously, we're pals. Starkings is a good guy.)

LETTERING RESOURCES
The GRANDADDY: Comic Craft's Balloon Tales: http://www.balloontales.com/

The best place to start is BT's Lettering: Word Arrangement: http://www.balloontales.com/tips/arrangement/index.html
It gives the basics on making lettering look like someone who knows what they were doing did it.

FONTS:

Most free fonts are worth what you pay for them. Obviously, Comic Sans is right out. You can get a gazillion fonts by putting "free font" into Google. The problem is a lot of those fonts are downloadable, but not legal to use without a fee. Use caution.

CC's fonts are the best you're going to get, but they're not free. HOWEVER, they have an excellent font package "WildandCrazy" that gives you a regular and bold italic font set and SFX for $29.95.
http://www.comicbookfonts.com/zap/catalog.html?item=fonts:zp1&sid=0001Mv6yHafzLfQer07q7R6

Nate Peikos' Blambot.com is a great resource for fonts, but even the free fonts are NOT for use in projects from DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, Image, etc.
His Pro Fonts are only $20./each, and gets you a license to use them.
http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml

BALLOONS:
Blambot has FREE EPS balloons and SFX, and they're free for non-profit and commercial use.
http://blambot.com/balloons.shtml

AVOIDING COMMON MISTAKES:
When lettering in all-caps, the serif (that means with the lines at the top and bottom) "I" is ONLY used for the possessive pronoun "I." This includes "I'm" "I'd" "I'll."
A serif "I" does not belong anywhere else.

I know you can pick up any comic from nearly any company besides DC and Marvel and see this standard of good form bent (ALL sans-serif "I" even for the possessive form), bent again (ALL serif "I"), or broken beyond fixing (a capricious mix of serif and sans-serif "I", someone possessive-correct, sometimes not, mostly a big mess) BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS GOOD FORM OR EVEN "OKAY."
It's CRAP form.

GRAMMAR:
"Its" is the correct possessive form, not "It's." ("Its head blew up!") Stupid, huh? But correct. "It's" is a contraction. ("It's going to be a long fucking night.")
Oh yeah: "hers," not "her's."

The apostrophe "s" ('s) is not, as Dave Barry once said, to let you know an "s" is coming. It's for possessive and contractions, and that's it. (Lea's, Nate's, that's.)

Use a spellchecker, but don't take it at its word. Speelcheekers are only az S-Mart as the dickshunary in them. Use dictionary.com and/or a paper dictionary, too.

Hope this helps! Feel free to link to it, re-post (with a link), and so on.

ETA: Bob the Angry Flower explains the Apostrophe S and Its v. It is.
(Thanks to [info]mattg  and [info]darthparadox  for the links!)

P.S.: For extra fun, watch and see how many comics-related sites, movies, shows and events break the rule of the serif I/sans serif I. 
Start with the posters for SIN CITY, and go from there.

Comments

[info]mattg wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
[info]darthparadox wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
And of course, the sequel: http://angryflower.com/itsits.gif

(I don't know whether it's a good thing or not that I know both that URL and bobsqu.gif off the top of my head...)
(no subject) - [info]mattg - Jan. 18th, 2008 08:09 pm (UTC)
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
Beautiful!
[info]darthparadox wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:10 pm (UTC)
So a serif "I" is not permissible for an "I" being used alone as a pronoun? That seems a little odd to me - I think it looks better to have the serifs when the "I" is the only letter in the word.
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
I clarified that. A serif I is for any form of the possessive pronoun "I." That includes he pronoun I.
(no subject) - [info]darthparadox - Jan. 18th, 2008 08:20 pm (UTC)
[info]wtf wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
Woah, there is a ton of stuff here I didn't know; I now have the urge to go back and correct all my balloon tails. Thanks! :D
[info]xochitl42 wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
This is brilliant! Speaking as an amateur letterer and a professional copy editor, I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets worked up over grammar errors and oversights in comics.

I never knew about the serif |I| rule--thank you for posting this!
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:58 am (UTC)
A lot of people don't know the serif I rule. I consider it my duty to make it known!
I think designers of comics-related and -styled art and graphics should know better.
[info]paperninja wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 08:57 pm (UTC)
I've learned typography for graphic design, but found out the hard way that typography for comics was very very much NOT the same thing.

I wasn't aware that it had it's own set of rules and style guides, though. So, thanks very much for posting this.

(I have to admit that I still think one could probably achieve decent comic page typography without having to buy fonts. But I'm going from the assumption that comic typography is not as stringent as design typography.)
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:57 am (UTC)
Comic typography is definitely not as stringent. It IS too lax, and lacking in craftsmaship. The frustrating thing is to do it better is no more work than doing it badly, ust that the big manga company doesn't know the difference and doesn't give a shit.

I think at least one licensed font is a must. That way, the license is clear (which means never having to worry if its being used according to the owner's rules), and the font will be constructed well.
(no subject) - [info]paperninja - Jan. 19th, 2008 04:09 am (UTC)
[info]studioqt wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:04 pm (UTC)
You beat me to it.

I've been simmering on a series of why I hate most manga lettering. But then I gave up when I realized it'd just be me bitching.

One thing I HATE HATE HATE is mis-hyphenation. OMG! I thought they were hiring college kids (at $4 a page), do they not know that words are broken up at the end of syllables?!1!

I've also seen a lot of misplaced apostrophes in a sad attempt to evoke slang. It's not a en-dash that connect syllables, folks, it's a contraction.

[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
It took me two years to get to this point. I had to get past the urge to say "dickweasels" and edit out every instance of "fontwhores."

I'm still struggling with "Putting words in a comic using a font and a computer doesn't make you a letterer it makes you a fontmonkey."

I can almost deal with bad lettering in an indie comic.
Companies with editors and that pay for lettering have no excuse for publishing books with crap lettering.
(no subject) - [info]studioqt - Jan. 18th, 2008 11:25 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - Jan. 18th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
[info]uminomamori wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:51 pm (UTC)
lol....didn't know that -_-
[info]rfrancis wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:32 pm (UTC)
I lettered Kastaway as well as writing it (I think the writer/lettering synergy is pretty good, really, since I could change the script on the fly for needs of space or flow, plus the artist was horrific at it) and for the most part I was, indeed, a fontmonkey, and proud of it. I used one that Larry Young created called LYBinkyFont, which was quite nice but aggravatingly lacking in a couple of characters I really wanted (yes, I sometimes used digits, dammit, space is tight in a 4-panel web comic!) and eventually I did the hideous webcomic thing of using different fonts for some of my odder characters (alien, robot) and so wound up with all more, well, computer-usery fonts.

So basically I shouldn't be trusted. Okay, never mind. :)
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
I would never recommend LYBinkyFont for any number of reasons, and the limited character set is one of them.

BF is the WhizBang of its time.
(no subject) - [info]rfrancis - Jan. 18th, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - Jan. 18th, 2008 10:18 pm (UTC)
[info]uminomamori wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 09:47 pm (UTC)
bookmarking.

I never ever could decide whether I sbould use capital I in lettering.
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
Now you know why and when!
(no subject) - [info]uminomamori - Jan. 19th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
[info]agrumer wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
I'd never heard of the serif-I rule before. I'm guessing it's unique to the comics lettering field. Any idea of its origin?

I've got enough of a graphic design background that I cringed to see the bottom of that BT tutorial, where it recommends horizontally scaling the type to make it fit better. Aiiieee!

Hey, ever read Templar, Arizona? Check out the lettering on that; Spike does it all by hand!
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
It looks better, mainly.
In comics lettering, a sans serif I by itself looks like a stick, lowercase L, or a numeral 1. The serifs help distinguish it as an I. In body copy, the serifs aren't needed because an I can be understood from context. Also, a serif within a sans serif block of text? I think that answers itself.

Horizontal scaling is okay for fitting text in comics lettering. It works and it's sound advice. You're ignoring that Richard says there are limits to its use because it changes letter weights.
What is your "just enough" background in graphic design?

Yes, I've seen Templar. I know Spike's work. I hired her for GirlAMatic five years ago.
Why is the lettering so impressive just because it's done by hand?
(no subject) - [info]agrumer - Jan. 19th, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]divalea - Jan. 19th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]agrumer - Jan. 19th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
[info]dave_iii wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
The one thing that sends me screaming up the wall is emphasis. How a person who can speak English well enough to write or edit it can mess this up is beyond me. I've seen amateurs and pros alike do the most bizarre things in a speech bubble, as if they're following some set of rules that is separate and discreet from actual spoken language. Makes me want to tie them down and forced to speak aloud all the dialog until they get it-- how long that will be is up to them.
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 18th, 2008 11:54 pm (UTC)
"Bubbles" are usually referred to as "balloons."

My general rule for emphasis is to put it on words that are important.
That's a whole 'nother subject.
(no subject) - [info]paperninja - Jan. 20th, 2008 08:40 am (UTC)
[info]yesthatjill wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 12:01 am (UTC)
<---
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:45 am (UTC)
HA!
[info]iamdollface wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 01:11 am (UTC)
These links are great. I've been wigging out about the balloons I made in Photoshop on my new stuff looking too "computery" but the tutorials you linked look just like mine. Woo! I bought a nice comic font with a "by hand" look on line a while back. I forget which site from... I've use a few as I'm often buying weird fonts for work-- anyway, it's called Eurocomic and works very well for my purposes. I wasn't really warming up to the mainstream comic fonts, they looked too Marvel/DC for my story. I think it would go rather well with Manga. And it does look a lot like the sweet hand lettering in my BD collection.

I'm so glad to see someone sound off about the translation and lettering in Manga reprints. It's one thing to have to cope with misspellings and bad translation in film subtitles, but for printed matter being published state-side? No excuse.

The serif use is so helpful! I've just been using lowercase everything. Maybe I'll go back through...

P.S. I live with a writer/editor and have to put up with a lot of backseat driving as far as dialogue goes. It can be annoying, but it makes for a better product. Keep going after people about the details! Maybe the industry will improve its esthetic...
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:53 am (UTC)
If your balloons fit the style of the work and look good, that's all you need.
I still like to hand-draw mine, then scan and alter them as needed.
Eurocomic is nice! It's one of Nate Peikos' fonts.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/blambot/eurocomic/

The current (and likely future) fashion of captioning sound effects is an approach I wanted when manga was first being brought over. Likewise with not flopping pages, and including notes about culture-specific stuff and in-jokes.
The market not being ready for that kept me in business for over ten years.
What rankles about the unflopped, intact SFX, notes format is how TPop marketed it as "100% Authentic" (GAG!), when the reality was that it saved money on lettering and retouch.
It wasn't about enhancing the reader's experience (though it worked out that way).
(no subject) - [info]iamdollface - Jan. 19th, 2008 05:12 am (UTC)
[info]the_kiggy wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
(Bookmarks)
[info]lois2037 wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 03:00 am (UTC)
Y'know... there are folks out there who make much of their money and reputations by ripping off other folks' designs and repackaging them as their own original work, and they are NOT good guys. I'm just saying.
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 03:02 am (UTC)
This I cannot argue with. Someone owes more than a few people money.

[info]woekitten wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 05:47 am (UTC)
I imagine you've seen this at some point, but looking at it twice is just as satisfying.

Me, I don't know a damn thing about fonts. All I know is that editors flip out if I hand in work that's not ten point Arial font. It's made me unsettlingly fond of the font.

Edited at 2008-01-19 05:48 am (UTC)
[info]paperninja wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
FEH. Arial is for losers who don't have Helvetica!
(no subject) - [info]studioqt - Jan. 20th, 2008 05:19 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]paperninja - Jan. 20th, 2008 08:27 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]studioqt - Jan. 20th, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
[info]studioqt wrote:
Jan. 20th, 2008 11:53 pm (UTC)
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/create_your_hero/

I burst a blood vessel anytime an advertising company buys a CC font and just runs with it without knowing how comics look.

In this case, I think Sprint is the offender. If I recall correctly, the :15 for this promo during "Heroes" airings ALSO had serif "I"s.

You can tell that the copy for the intro was in sentence case while the copy for the Flash widgets were in all caps.
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:08 am (UTC)
There's a nice font abuse ransom note look to the design too. It's like they wanted to get their money's worth for the font families they bought.

I found out researching Comic Sans that it was the face used in the Sin City posters. Since I'm used to seeing the Abomination in mixed case, and the Sin City captions are all caps, I never made the connection. I stopped at MOTHERFUCKERS USED SERIF I SHIT STUPID and never got any farther.

Comic Con made the serif mistake, too, in promo materials a few years ago.
[info]ttallan wrote:
Jan. 24th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
Wait, wait... I know I'm a few days late to the party here (I followed a link from Journalista this morning), but I'm a little confused about the serif I rule. When I follow that link to BT's Lettering: Word Arrangement, the first thing I see is a paragraph in which the I in "It" has the serif. I never knew about this rule myself, but it always made sense to me in my lettering to use sans serif I in the middle of a word, and the serif I for the pronoun or if it was the first letter in the the first word of a sentence. Is this incorrect? Or visually incorrect?
[info]ttallan wrote:
Jan. 24th, 2008 12:38 pm (UTC)
Heh... in my rush to ask my question I forgot to say-- thank you so much for posting this! It's very helpful!
(no subject) - [info]ttallan - Jan. 24th, 2008 12:50 pm (UTC)
[info]stephenfrug wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
Comic Sans
"Obviously, Comic Sans is right out."

Could you explain this a bit (or post a link to an explanation)? Most of the anti-Comic Sans stuff I've seen -- bancomicsans and so forth -- hate it because it's used in all sorts of inappropriate places. Presumably this is not the problem with using it in comics. So why is it right out?
[info]divalea wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:05 am (UTC)
Re: Comic Sans
The reason why it's out is because it is a lousy typeface. It was designed to look friendly and cute. It failed there. It became the go to font for childish, kid, cute stuff. It's the layman's idea of a comics typeface, and those laymen are wrong.
Even Dave of bancomicsans.com thought this, and GOT IT WRONG. He said in an interview he'd used it correctly (in a word balloon). BZZZZT.

Comic Sans is poorly constructed. It doesn't kern properly (i.e. pairs of letters like "A" and "T" don't fit so that the top stroke of the T is over the A.) The baseline is wobbly. The letterforms are utter shit.

Compare for yourself the balloon lettering fonts at Blambot.com to Comic Sans. You will see a craftsmanship in the Blambot letterforms that is simply not present in CS.

Last, using Comic Sans in a comic spells amateur as surely as lettering in Arial or Helvetica.
Re: Comic Sans - [info]stephenfrug - Jan. 25th, 2008 03:24 am (UTC)
Re: Comic Sans - [info]divalea - Jan. 25th, 2008 03:31 am (UTC)
Re: Comic Sans - [info]stephenfrug - Jan. 25th, 2008 04:10 am (UTC)

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